Ladies, I'm a trannie.

Ladies! How on earth should I be able to touch up my makeup in the gents? Moreover, I am a girl right? So what's the biggie using the ladies?

im transgender so I always use the ladies room and I always sit down to pee even when I was little I sat down to pee I guess ive always felt like a girl and acted like one

I'm TG/TS or whatever and am on hormones but i still use the mens as i've got a cock - one set of toilets is designed for willys and the other set arent

Men's toilets are frightening places in any case. I seek out unisex loos whenever possible. Starbucks usually has them Failing that there is the unspeakable wickedness of ordering a radar key off Amazon and carrying it just in case.

most of you seem to think you have a right to use a woman's toilet, im afraid thats total bullshit, its ok for many women but there are still some that feel very uncomfortable with a obviously dressed male in the loo, if you want to be a woman you need to think like a woman, think how the females feel, some women have social religious or just hate being in the presence of a male doing a toilet in close proximity unless you have gone for a full gender change you really do not have the right to use them, plus using male toilets is what you have done all your days so just use them especially in public loos or places with elderly, with children and if you stand up for a pee well god forbid you need burnt at the stake ! go into the mens unless its a tv night out at a tv bar or club for goodness sake

Arse. You identify as a lady, you use the ladies'.

madam sin, I don't like your line of argument.

You got a problem with men, please take it up in your own time.

well i'm no that keen on men tbh.... but tv/ts/tg are my many lovers and friends in life and I'm just saying what i think is true , It's quite sad that you have looked at my post in such a negative way when I'm trying to show it from a woman's point of view
This post was edited by madam sin at August 4, 2014 10:23 PM BST

Madam sin, I'd recommend reading this article, from Paris Lees... http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/can-everyone-stop-freaking-out-over-which-bathroom-transgender-people-use

Ive read it Jennifer but i'm not the one you need to show it too, In a ideal world everyone would be trans aware but as most trans do not even venture out into the world its hidden and to many that's viewed as its because it has something wrong about it its feared and classed as weird or as a perversion to people that don't understand it

Madam Sin, i can see where you are coming from, but Trans Issues, are out there, and the UK as a whole is making progress steps, in terms of Trans Peoples rights.

We, even have Trans Media watch, and also Stone Wall, have opened their doors to us, to hold discussions, and the Trans Community is making huge progressive steps in terms of the Visibility of our Issues and showing we're just the same as everyone else.

And, before the year is over, CBBC, should be releasing a cartoon, which feature's Trans Character's. As, The BBC, Has openly been inviting Trans People, including the group " All About Trans " to come to the studio's in Salford, and discuss Trans Issues, and to see how the BBC, can help raise awareness.

Also, Channel 4, in Co-operation with Lucky Tooth Films, will be releasing onto the actual TV Channel, the next set of My Genderation Films.

So, in terms of spreading awareness, we're doing very well here in the UK, including holding Europe's First Ever, Trans Pride March, last month.

And, most Cis people, are perfectly comfortable and understanding of Trans People.

Julia and Madame Sin,

Another member has pointed out that this thread is becoming abusive.

Having read it I can see that two members are using words like "arse" and "being burnt at the stake", either about each other or the TG community, are out of line.

Please just "cool it" with this discussion and don't get personally abusive, as that is very much against site rules (see Terms of Service which is at the bottom of every page - the relevant part on abusive behaviour is attached to the end of this message).

No action will be taken by the moderating team at this stage as we do try to encourage lively debate and differing views, but this thread is very near the limits of us taking action.


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This post was edited by Pauline Smith at August 5, 2014 9:32 AM BST

Personally I use the gents, but I would think that any TG date of mine would be free to use the ladies if the need arises.

When i am dressed up i always use the ladies room.

i think a bloke in a dress which most of you are (no offence meant just saying it as it is) you should use the blokes toilets. I totally agree with madam sin and if you use the blokes toilets when you arent 'dressed' you can obviously cope with it so get over yourselves and stop making other people i.e women uncomfortable by thinking you have the right to use womens toilets when quite clearly you are a fella. that is all. have a nice day. the usual peace and love from gemma x

I would NEVER use male toilets when dressed. It is asking for trouble, and is simply dangerous. I always use ladies' toilets when out dressed, and have never had any trouble, not even a glance. Of course, when I am out in mixed surroundings, I dress conservatively. My tactic is: quick into the cubicle, out, wash hands, freshen lippy, touch of pwder and out. I have never, ever had problems.

Who cares what loo you use....

I just try not to go... never felt comfortable being there as a man, never felt comfortable full stop.

Lol & if the toilet bouncers (you know who you are) are in lol haha, so my choice is to be ridiculed and insulted in the ladies or to be molested and insulted in the gents :/

honestly its no big deal, or should be no big deal, when my son was desperate for a no.2 & the 1 cubicle in the gents was occupied I took him into the ladies, 1 woman gave a funny look as we exited.

I don't generally have sex in public lavatories.... they're not very sexy places either...

It is not simple, if you are a bloke who likes dressing, but you fancy women....

I mean hold up listen, so which toilets can K.D.Lang use? & Bea Arthur? maybe you are saying only pretty young girls with blonde curly hair can use the ladies.... a woman wearing trousers? ahhh we forget, women, most esp. Cis women can do anything and go anywhere cos they are all angels and have never done anything bad ever.
Whereas all men are bad and must be seggragated as they cannot control themselves, because all women know the truth of life and they should be the lawmakers and all men are naughty little boys.

With our thoughts we make the world.

And women like equality.... but most especially women like equality when they get more of it than men.

It really does depend on the person, be careful out there cos the toilet bouncers are there ready to pounce haha... or perhaps they just gossip behind your back on trans forums.


e can even be nice sensible kind people, when I was in a nightclub, and the loos were really busy and a girl came into the mens loos cos the womens had huge queues and I let her go into the cubicle, and kept an eye that no guys would be bad and then she did her wee and then she went no drama.

Sorry Pauline I clearly find certain veiwpoints offensive, but more so as they are being asserted on a trans forum, where "Boys can be girls"

the reality is most women do not see a tv as a woman, its a woman loo so its a man in a woman's loo, some women ask for female Doctor and would never go to a mixed changing room in a pool so use disabled or family rooms, its just the way some women are, so what right does anyone have to force a action on someone that will make them feel uncomfortable, do you really feel you have that right especially when you are only dressing up once in a blue moon to go outside?

We all have lived in segregation of the sexes in different elements of our life's and its still very set in some people, have you actually been molested in a male toilet? id guess most trans haven't in reality and most men are either shocked at a bloke dressed or might make a comment in jest.
This post was edited by madam sin at August 9, 2014 8:22 AM BST

I love chess, which is damn exiciting at the moment, chess olympiad, plus I am lucky to have family around me, so can't really justify time on here arguing this.

some important points to be considered;

1. There is no law that says that transgendered people cannot use loos, meant for either sex; it is clearly a "Trans" issue, which we would hope that anyone involved would be sensitive around, and which I know of cases where police have been involved (I know second hand) and They have allowed transgendered individuals to use the loo of their choice.

that is as in, you and others have no "Right" to tell us which loo we can and can't use.

That said, of course sensitivity is an issue and we don't need a horny guy putting a dress on just to gain access to ladies loos in order to perv on ladies... au vey.

It used to be illeagal to be gay, and still is in places, and a woman celebrity just regailed a story of how herself and other girls were amongst the first to wear trousers (& that time breaking a social convention), we used to accept page 3 and men being openly mysoginistic, but that is more frowned upon now and another celeb, this time telling of how she was sexually assaulted, she told her Mum and she got smacked around the ear, time was a girl said rape and no one believed her, or they suggested that she was responsible by being sexually attractive.

The world has changed a lot and there is a good movement at the momnent for change.

I take offence at madam sin's comments.

Off to write a blog about offensiveness/being offensive.

http://incontempt.mooretoons.com/comic/bathroom-police/

Lights fuse and runs away giggling.

So far i have managed to get away with managing not using either, precisely because as the divided(though most would use the ladies it would seem), opinions indicated here. It seem to be lose lose situation and seems someone's going to disapprove either way, which is quite sad.. The way i see it, if someone identifies as or dressed or out as a woman, i feel its more appropriate to use the ladies in my opinion and doesn't seem right to use the mens while dresses as a woman regardless of how convincing you look.

Regarding MX Ashleys comment about toilets being designed for certain genitals, Well that might be true for urinals for women or post op transsexuals, but we're talking about the ladies toilets here, and cubicles/stalls are designed to be used either/all genders just as easily and are used daily by both genders in our own homes, so i don't agree with that as being a factor at all.

Which leads me to the other question, personally i always sit down to go to the toilet without exception, i have done for about as long as i remember, it feels right and natural for me, and if a cd/tv/tg was using the ladies, i would suggest as a courtesy at least, that its better to sit down, so as not to create a possibly telling loud splash noise and peeing in the floor, but that's my opinion as i say.
This post was edited by Emily B at November 23, 2015 4:52 PM GMT

Deborah Taylor said: ''http://incontempt.mooretoons.com/comic/bathroom-police/

Lights fuse and runs away giggling.''
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Haha, that says things pretty clearly, good one Deborah lol x

If I'm wearing a skirt I'm going into the door with the picture of a person wearing a skirt. If there's something wrong with that then they need to change the icon