If 'ALL' genders are supposed to be treated the same under the law, it can only be a matter of time before it won't make much difference what we call ourselves.

If we're no longer asked our race, sex and age on things like application forms, then our ambiguity is assured. We'll be assessed purely on our experience, skills and education and not the colour of our skin, what's between our thighs or how many sunrises and sunsets we've witnessed.

Going back to gender, do you think its irrelevant in the long run? What are your views on possible blurring of genders?


Below is the additional question I missed on my original post:

'I was curious how other girls like to label themselves and how they see others and apply different labels?'



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In terms of how one's qualifications are viewed, and how one is treated under the law, gender should absolutely be irrelevant. The only problem with that is that other people may think differently. We might say that the opinions of these "other people" don't matter to us, but when it comes to laws and application forms, the opinions of others may have an effect on us. In the scheme of things, though, gender is irrelevant...or is it? Some say that the "soul" is genderless, but I wonder about that. I certainly feel that I have the soul of a woman. This is a very complex question Adele, but a really interesting one. I am not providing a clear answer to your question, but just writing my thoughts. In many ways gender should not matter, but as a human being with the soul of a woman, it makes a lot of difference to me what I call myself. Does any of this make any sense? I hope so)

It does sweetheart and I'll come back later to discuss it further. I have to go for a while, but I'll pop in later to see what people have to say and respond.

Thank you for replying, Nina.

:-)

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Thanks Adele. I was worried, after I wrote that, that you might be thinking "what has she been smoking?" lol...but I've been feeling philosophical lately.
Nina xx

The only gender specific jobs I can think of are rent boy and wet nurse. And I'm pretty sure with enough progesterone, I could do the latter.

Apart from that, Gender is irrelevant.

Debbie

I filled in a form the other day online and it asked under gender. Male. Female. Other.
The problem is some men really believe they r woman and visa versa, then we have the bi/tri sexual. The law will look at all of this in a way that they see fair.Very Interesting discussion.Personally, I struggle, I want to be a woman and some days I really believe that I am but there are other days when I think, "for god sake wise up u nutter, your a man stupidly dressing as a woman". oh Im a babbler.

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Race, sex and age should be basically irrelevant for a particular job, it should be down to ability and to some degree experience. But while we inherit names which will indicate a racial background or attended school so long ago it is obvious how old we are or simply have gender specific names, it is not difficult for an employer to go with his preferences. Whether this is a good or bad thing I'm not certain. There are times when I'd love to experiment with the idea and see where it lead but then that's only because I'm a dirty old English man brought up a Christian who would love to know what it was like to be a young Thai ladyboy.

Thank you for all replying. I'm going to add an additional question to the initial post and I hope that you'll all come back and reply to this new part of the topic. Won't be a moment......

*Runs off to the initial post*

There now!

A good example in the 'blurring of genders is to be seen in,'The Genderbread Person, first displayed on the website, 'It's Pronounced Metrosexual'- google it. Displaying the wider view of gender identity/sexial orientation, in terms of fluidity, like myself....

ops, 'scuse the 'typo' sexual orientation.

Does this sound right, Michael? Evening by the way :-)

"The typical metrosexual is a young man with money to spend, living in or within easy reach of a metropolis — because that’s where all the best shops, clubs, gyms and hairdressers are. He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference." Wikipedia

Evening, Adele, the metrosexual bit is right, it's the site that's different, just google,'The Genderbread Person' and ou'll see what I mean. x

Oh sorry, I thought you meant for me to google just the 'metro sexual' definition.

One sec xxx

Ok I'm reading this article. Hope I've found the right thing.

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/03/the-genderbread-person-v2-0/

That's the one, x

Oh God i just got away with my skin after this very topic was discussed on another site , firstly i would say that i am a female and thats that ! , however if i had to apply a label i would class myself as a " pre op transgender woman " , and this is where the problem lies , some people dont like Transgender but prefer Transexual , others like Trans woman etc and the list goes on , then we have the so called umbrella term , some sites will give the umbrella as transexual and transgender as one of the sub groups , other sites will give transgender as the umbrella term , its all about titles , countries such as Australia , switzerland and most of the european countries legaly recognise transgender but not transexual and have put laws in place tp protect transgender people but not transexual , really its a battlefield , oh yes then you have those who would suit other categories such as c\d but who choose to call themselves transgender and yet dont have any wish to transition , i think the problem is that there are no clearly set descriptions for each group which are followed universally .

as far as i can see it would be easiest to treat the person as they present ( not foolproof as clearly some are more feminine than others ) , it might even be easier just to not ask in the first place and leave it to the individual if they wish to declare their preffered gender ,there must be some exceptions such as hospital wards , prisons etc where you have to seperate the sexes for moral reasons and in this case the question has to be asked , this debate will run and run xxxxxxxx

Thank you, Jet, which only adds to my personal belief, that I Iike people for who they are, not what they are, emphasised by the maxim, 'that you should love the person first, then the gender'.

Nicely said Michael xxxxxxxxxx

I was with you Jet right up to the point where you said " oh yes then you have those who would suit other categories such as c\d but who choose to call themselves transgender and yet dont have any wish to transition". At which point you have done exactly what we were discussing, discriminated against a group of people because of some belief/orientation. As I don't want to get into an arguement I'll leave it at that.

Just to add to the list of labels that can be applied I have used the term genderqueer because everyone has to ask what it means!

Half of the time, to be brutally honest, I do feel Gender is Irrelevant.... but I feel we are just conditioned to accept, that you must be one gender or the other... so, It becomes a confusing and daunting discussion...

I was always told as a kid, you are a boy, you must do boys things, go play football, rugby, or play with action men, not play with your big sisters hair dressing doll head thing...

And to which as I got older, and started secondary school, I was forced into doing such naive activity's as Football and Rugby, and hated the lot... I just never got the appeal of kicking a ball around for an hour for PE... I preffered Cross country running, or Swimming...

But, like we say Society and the whole system we abide by is built on Male and Female...

But then labeling my self, or pigeon holing my self, I do call my Transgendered, on the understanding of the term, that I don't feel like a guy, I feel like a Woman, and have always abided by more feminine attributes all my life...

I mean, before I let Jennifer be, I'd have guys I know poke fun at me for showering in a more feminine manner, whilst having to use, communal festival showers... but with I'm always back to shower, and let it run down, and rub my hands through my scalp, to make sure the Shampoo and Conditioner reaches my roots properly, and not just the top layer of hair....

But even when I have to be guy, I'm rarely seen without Eyeliner, and short nails...

But, like I said, It's a funny old subject, and could go on and on, into many different areas...

If we go into Law, sometimes, I feel, most laws are just created because Politicians, are clueless on how to sort the Issues out...

With, the subject of Transgender people, this should be taught in Schools, as part of the national curriculum, and all helpful resources laid out... If I'd known as a kid, what I know, I'd be damn well full time now.

Even now, I can walk into shops, and look for clothes, and be given looks of disgust If, I'm in boring guy mode...

Anyway, this is just my little waffle on this here subject... now to crack on with finishing my 3rd radio showxx

Sorry Josephine it was not my intention to discriminate against c\d or anybody , i was just making the point that with so many sub groups and titles people dont know where to place themselves , the reason i chose to use c\d\ to illustrate my point was that it is my understanding that the term " Transgender " is applied to those who wish to transition and live as a woman full time , whereas many of my c\d friends have no wish to transition but still choose to use the term " Transgender " , i have no problem with this but that is my understanding of the term transgender according to the sites that i visited during my research , i think this illustrates the whole problem with classifications , but please do not for a moment believe that i would judge anyone on this site or any other , we are all here for each other and here to support each other , i would have thought that you know me better than that and i am quite insulted at your accusation of discrimination , all i have done is post my feelings and observations on this forum .
I dont wish to get into an argument with you , but can we not speak freely for fear of being accused of discrimination , most upsetting Josephine .

Let me appologise Jet. I took my cue from the subtitle of this site "social networking for the transgender community" and thought most people here used the term for all those who use the site. As you say about the only thing we do know is whatever the word it starts with trans. I am sorry for accusing of discrimination and take it back unreservedly.

Thanks Josephine , its forgotten ! , this does illustrate the point about titles , when i joined i had the impression that everyone had the same impression as me , way too many labels eh babe ? i also apologise for my reaction , friends again ? xxxxxxxx

There are so many lables others use to describe us and those that we are comfortable with ourselves. To anyone who wants to take it up:- how would you explain the various lables you are familiar with and which one do you use to describe yourself? (and why)