Hi everyone,
have seen a herbal estrgen pill on ebay, claiming to be made from a plant in thailand. The plant is called PUERARIA MIRIFICA, that is supposed to do alsorts of wonderful things. heres a link, http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-ANTI-AGEING-PILL-Female-Hormone-Estrogen-Feminize-Breast-Enlargement-Herb-/231054740655?hash=item35cbef8caf.
Just wondering if any of the lovely ladies here at transtastic have tried this, what the results were, etc.

sammi

There has been a lot of discussion on these forums about herbal oestrogen. Basically, even I who think they do do something, will admit it is marginal. Unless your totesterone levels are low the amount of oestrogen supplied is not going to have much effect. If you are taking a totesterone suppressor then you should probably be under medical supervision.

Even with all that said, it will help but not as much as they claim. You may need to wax every 8 weeks instead of every 4-6 etc. So if they don't cost a fortune, go ahead.

I'll cite wikipedia here
"Some cosmetic products and herbal supplements claim various health benefits of the extracts of Pueraria mirifica including increasing appetite, enlarging breasts,[3] improving hair growth, and other rejuvenating effects; however, there is no scientific evidence to support any these claims.[4] The U.S. Federal Trade Commission has taken action against manufacturers who make such fraudulent claims."
Here the link to the full article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueraria_mirifica

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This post was edited by Samantha Smile at November 3, 2013 10:02 PM GMT

Samantha I didn't say there was any scientific evidence, in fact there has been a lot of discussion here whether there was anything at all. The biggest thing to realise is that there is no scientific evidence that they don't produce 'some' effect.

Not that my comment was targeted at you Jo, however.
Your logic is flawed.
That's like saying possessing a lump of obsidian keeps bengal tigers away from your house when you live in London city center.

Failure to provide proof that something DOESNT work, does not mean that it DOES.

Sorry, its the scientific burden of evidence.

For there to be scientific proof of something of a medical nature then someone must set up a statistically significant double blind project. I seriously doubt that this has ever been done. Secondly this would need to be published and peer reviewed before bing accepted.

Not that long ago the placebo effect was ignored by the scientific community as it caused problems with their results. There was only anecdotal proof. Many old medicines are still allowed on the market which cannot be proved other than by years of use. Phytoestrogens are used as part of HRT, they have been shown to supplement female hormone levels; there is scientific proof for this. There have been no studies on males or on transitioning males in particular.

The FDA does like to issue warnings about claims which are not backed by scientific proof, mainly to stop the gullible.

Now tell me who is going to do the research? You'd need about 1000 transitioning males willing to take thie treatment for about 2 years without them taking any other medication! There is evidence but not for the claims some make.

i have been on p-m for 6 months with NO results. i was also on vitex to suppress 'test'
my opinion is herbal doesnt work, just a lot of people getting rich out of selling false hope.

i tried that stuff nothing much happened really apart from my purse being lighter lolxxx

Read a book called 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre, it will give a little insight (or a marketing company's lack of it) how some scientific methods are twisted, watered down and completely ignored, so they can sell us next 'best' product to makes us feel better

I've been taking PM for about 18 months and I'm having good effects. The effects are not as quick as with synthetic hormones, but PM definitely works. I use it in combination with saw palmetto, which reduces T.