I've always had a preference for those I refer to as, 'Real T-Girls', which to me,simply means, those who have always has a natural desire to express their femininity, often
dressing from an early age. Who do so now, as much as their lives and circumstances permit. Including 'girlyboys', TG, TS and GG!

I wonder how many either agree,disagree, or can add ,to my self penned definition?

Or perhaps see themselves as fulfilling it, in their own, unique, feminine way ?

GG means Genetic Girl so I'm wondering how they can be refered to as 'T' Girls... unless they're serving Tea...

and the 'T' in T-Girl means Trans... this encompasses Transgender, Transsexual or Transvestite...

Crossdresser will also come under the "T" in T-Girl because the word crossdresser comes from Latin, trans-, "across, over" and vestitus, "dressed"..... so ''crossdresser'' also comes under the "T" in T-Girl

as for "REAL" T-Girls.... I've never met a pretend one, they've all been real...

so, your self penned definition is a little off the mark & distorted, either that or you have absolutely NO understanding of what "T-Girl" actually means... don't ya think...

I could expect no more from you, Lisa, thank you.

You tell them Lisa just love the way you commented on that.xxxxxx

Anybody can provide and academic answer, based on test book examples.I was hoping for constructive comment, produced by the ability to think cognitively, (truth and reason) which also , by it's very nature involves empathy, i.e high emotional intelligence, based more in reality, than presumptive text book thinking... it also fairly obvious from your answer that you've adopted a hostile aggressive stance to me as a person, which has strongly influenced your response.

Strongly supported by Shar, I see although I've always been aware, even without actually knowing or meeting me in person, she's always held a hostile and aggressive view of me...which is a bit juvenile and immature really...

nothing in my last comment was based on any 'test' book (as you call them)... it is very common knowledge amongst the 'girl' in the "T" community

I don't know you as you quite righty state... I only responded to your forum post with a honest answer... sorry for bringing a little reality into your view of the "T" world but what I said is entirely true and not in any way meant to show any kind of aggression towards you, because like you said, I don't know you...

anyone that knows me will be able to recognise the way I type... I always use "..." at the end of my sentence to imply a pause... to brand me immature & juvenile is an insult, and it shows that you only want the answer you want to hear, & not the real answer...

so, in response to your second paragraph

[quote]I wonder how many either agree,disagree, or can add ,to my self penned definition?[/quote]

I disagree entirely & I have added to YOUR penned definition
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I heartily agree with both your comments, Lisa and, with all due respect, Michael, not in the least bit aggressive.

No problem, it seems to be quite common, that many who contribute to these forums have no idea what a Forum is,' a meeting for the open discussion of discussion of subjects of interest' nor the meaning of the word, topic, 'a subject or theme'. Failing to either understand the logic of the normal protocol applied to forums of any kind, e.g. the House of Commons, of 'attack the argument, not the person'. In their ignorance of these well known facts simply use this to 'vent their spleen' against individuals they have a particular grudge against. Whilst at the same time presenting themselves as 'psuedo intellectuals' who have little or no knowledge of the subject of gender identity/sexual orientation, which effect us all.Simply making pedantic remarks about others, obvious typing errors, childish really...

Ahh pot calling the kettle black methinks. But thank you for re-assigning me from scientist to pseudo-intellectual. I will let Lisa respond to the statement on "little or no knowledge of the subject of gender identity/sexual orientation"

Oh dear, yet another presumptive response, plucked from thin air,...with no basis in reality...

Someone who has been or is about to be the subject of GRS, hardly qualifies as having, other than through personal experience any in depth knowledge gender identity/sexual orientation, even having a Diploma in Psychology and Counselling, hardly supports that either...

So once again, we're back to attacking the person and not the argument...which is a bit disturbing because a lot of those who attended the International Trans Gender Conference, held in Dublin, last year would support my views...

However I've no doubt Lisa will, at least once reply with some constructive comment or criticism other than that plagiarised from a TEXT book...

Yet another "I know so much more than you" response plucked from who care where. As you have attended this conference and understand things so clearly we will be honoured by you utterances. While us poor mortals can continue our humdrum lives living in ignorance.
If you really have something to say, why not say it. I know what Lisa means and what I mean when referring to a TGirl. But then we are more like Humpty Dumpty.

Simple question, are you ever going to offer any constructive comment or criticism on the topic, NOT me that I entered or not? It's not rocket science this Lisa,all that is required is an understanding of the words forum and topic , followed by you constructive comments or criticism, preferably your own perhaps with a little assistance from a TEXT book to provide a response...which I think we'd all prefer to your constant attempts to patronise and belittle me.Which aren't working...at this rate,'there'll be tears before bedtime'...

Constructive - I gave a simplistic view of a TGirl elsewhere, basically it is someone who is trying to be the woman she feels she is. As Lisa has pointed out, this cannot include GG but does largely cover the whole of the T community. Perhaps you would like to read her original response and see the points she was making. Further a forum is not just what you want it to be. People can find the point they were going to make expressed already and therefore support a previous contributor.
BTW I will not be crying over any of this but I am willing to supply a virtual hard kerchief if you need. Try leaving the trite cliche off, especially when they don't apply.

Lisa is spot on Micheal,T-Girl covers the majority of the Trans Community and doesn't cover GG's

I'm lost for words.... your forum post was simple to read and simple to understand... all I did was responde to what you put... what is the problem with that...

your definition of "t-girl" was a little off the mark & all I did was quite simply give you my opinion of what the definition of the word "t-girl" and other girls seem to agree with me... you clearly have a problem with that.... can you please tell me where I'm wrong in MY definition of the word "T-Girl"....

as for patronising you or belittling you, I seriously cannot see where you've got that idea... I kept to the topic, and pointed out where I thought you had gone wrong in your "self penned definition" of the term "T-Girl"

and please Mike... don't assume I've got text books to hand, I don't... I type my responses straight from my thoughts... do you have an issue with that... I do not need text books to respond to a simple forum topic.... and I'd rather not get into a battle of wits with you because it's quite clear that you do not take simple critisism, which you asked for in your original post, very well...

and why have all your responses been directed at ME... the latter part of the forum thread has been between yourself & Josephine... my TWO contributions to this forum thread have been, open, honest & very clear... I do not have a grude against you because like I've said, "I don't know you"

Why are you, once again, discussing me and not the topic...??? If you can'tjust, objectively and constructively address a topic, instead of making pointed remarks, including commenting on any typing errors, on the individual who posted it. Why bother?

Ignoring the bullying tirade....

I can agree that TGirl can cover all those in the trans community but as it can't be applied to GGs can it still be applied to TGirls who have completed their transition. I understand that they still are part of the trans community but ... This is purely an open question as I haven't thought this through.

Jesus H Christ Mike... have you actually heard yourself here.... I "DID" objectively & constructively adress the topic.... and you obviously had a MASSIVE problem with that...

so please Mike... stop trying to make out that I've said something wrong... you asked for an opinion and you got one... and subsiquently backed up by others...

Michael , just admit you were wrong to group "GG" with "T-GIRLS " and accept criticism and correction when you are clearly wrong , without taking offence

No problem, Diana, but how can I be 'wrong' on a topic I posted on a forum, which purpose is for open discussion. For people to simply air their views on it.It's not about who is right and wrong, neither is it a platform for people to attach other people, as individuals, attack the argument, in this case the topic,not the person, right! 'real T girls' to me, means those who've always known a desire to express their femininity' including those, biologically born as a man or a woman, which therefore includes GG or RG. It's not about 'labels' it's about gender identity and sexual orientation. Just my view, it doesn't make me a 'bad person' as many people think of members of the GBLT community in wider society.

No problem, Diana, but how can I be 'wrong' on a topic I posted on a forum, which purpose is for open discussion. For people to simply air their views on it.It's not about who is right and wrong, neither is it a platform for people to attach other people, as individuals, attack the argument, in this case the topic,not the person, right! 'real T girls' to me, means those who've always known a desire to express their femininity' including those, biologically born as a man or a woman, which therefore includes GG or RG. It's not about 'labels' it's about gender identity and sexual orientation. Just my view, it doesn't make me a 'bad person' as many people think of members of the GBLT community in wider society.

as soon as someone offered a different opinion you bit and got all aggressive , if it was open to discussion accept someone elses opinion then

Only because they were aggressive towards me and have displayed as past history of doing so. When have I become aggressive towards anyone? Anyway, no matter, if people cannot respond by way of conmstructive comment or criticism towards the TOPIC asndnot me! As a person, as yuou, regrettably are now doing, I'll take no further part in this forum, and bear in mind it should be titled the 'Lets kick shit of of anybody who disagrees with my arguments, views or opinions' Forum. Which has nothing to do with the word Forum or topic....

cool down and keep calm